Charismatic Chaos – Part 13
AUTHOR: MacArthur Jr., John
PUBLISHED ON: April 2, 2003


The following message was delivered at Grace Community Church in Panorama
City, California, By John MacArthur Jr.  It was transcribed from the tape,
GC 90-64, titled “Charismatic Chaos” Part 13. 

                        Charismatic Chaos – Part 13

                    “Does God Promise Health and Wealth?”
                                  (Part 2)
                              John MacArthur

Tonight we want to go back to our study of the contemporary Charismatic
movement.  This movement has many fascinations, many unique things.  While
you are kind of getting your mind geared: Phil Johnson was just telling me
(Phil is executive director of Grace to You) and he said the other day a lady
called the 800 line and she had good news for us.  She said that she was
given permission by Robert Tilton (Robert Tilton is one of the leading
Charismatic television personalities) to tell everyone that it was revealed
to him that “Jesus is coming November 15th” and that she is leaving her
entire estate to Grace to You.  Can you grasp the implications of that?  For
those of you who are struggling, it seems to say that we’ll be here after He
comes and goes!  I don’t think that she has fully thought it through; I’ll
put it that way.

Now turning back to our discussion of the Health and Wealth gospel.  We
started last time to talk about the cargo cults in the South Pacific where
there are still Aboriginal people who worship the cargo gods.  They developed
a religion because during World War II so many big airplanes landed on their
islands; they were the first exposure they ever had to modern technology and
they thought they were gods who were flying in and delivering all of this
cargo, and they developed religions out of this, and today they have little
temples made out of bamboo and other kinds of woven material.  Temples that
look like control towers, cargo planes, and airplane hangers, and they
worshiped the cargo gods.  A materialistic kind of religion; they want the
cargo gods to come back and deliver them some more Zippo lighters, radios,
and nuts and bolts, and tools, and all the things that were landing there in
World War II.

I suggested to you that the modern Health, Wealth gospel is nothing but
another kind of cargo cult where people are looking for a god who delivers
all the goodies that they want.  That the essence of the cargo cult was that
God is there to provide what we want and the essence of the Health, Wealth
gospel is the same: that God is there to provide what we want and frankly
what we demand.  And I suggested to you last time that all of the elements
that are common to the cults exists within the prosperity movement or the
Health, Wealth movement: a distorted Christology, an exalted view of man, an
erroneous view of God, a theology based on human works, a belief that new
revelation is coming and unlocking secrets that have been hidden for years,
extrabiblical human writings that they deem inspired and authoritative.  All
of those are typically cultic features.

Now, I said that we were going to look at some of the aspects of the
Health-Wealth gospel and to look at some of the theological keys to
understanding them.  Last time we discussed the fact that they have the wrong
God.  They do not understand that God is sovereign, they do not understand
that God is able to act independently, they believe man is sovereign: God has
given over sovereignty to man and now God is at the mercy of man and if He is
going to do anything we have to release Him to do it.  Man is sovereign, God
has been deposed and man has been put in His place.  He [God] is dependent
upon human faith, He is dependent most of all on human words, in fact, they go
so far as to say we are little gods, and since we are little gods, God has
delegated divine authority to us, and just like God spoke and things were
created, we now speak and they are created as well.  So we have creative power
with our words because we are in fact sovereign little gods, and God has
delegated sovereignty to us. 

We talked about the fact that since they have this view of God there is
really no need to pray to God, in fact they say it would be better off to
talk to your disease or talk to your wallet then to talk to God because you
can speak into existence anything you want with the creative power that you
have as a reproduction of God Himself.  And thus they have pulled God down
and they have elevated man, and we won’t go over that in detail anymore than
just to review that briefly. 

Now secondly, not only do these Health, Wealth preachers and this movement
have the wrong God but they have the wrong Jesus, and I want you to listen
very carefully to this because it is so important.  The Jesus of the Word
Faith, the Positive Confession, the Health, Wealth movement is not the Jesus
of the Bible, the New Testament.  Word Faith teachers say, “Jesus gave up His
deity and took on Satan’s nature in order to die for our sins.”  Let me say
that again, they say that, “Jesus gave up His deity and took on Satan’s
nature in order to die for our sins.”  Kenneth Copeland who is a worldwide
proponent of this defends his infamous prophecy that called doubt on the
deity of Christ by saying,

      Why didn’t Jesus openly proclaim Himself as God during His 33
      years on earth?  For one single reason: He hadn’t come to earth
      as God, He had come as man.

He seems to be saying that Jesus came only as man and not as God.  The Word
Faith Jesus often sounds like nothing more than some kind of divinely
empowered man.  Further, quoting from Kenneth Copeland,

      Most Christians mistakenly believe that Jesus was able to work
      wonders, to perform miracles, and to live above sin because He
      had divine power that we don’t have.  Thus they have never
      really aspired to live like He lived. 

      They don’t realize that when Jesus came to earth He voluntarily
      gave up that advantage, living His life here not as God, but as
      a man.  He had no innate supernatural powers, He had no ability
      to perform miracles until after he was anointed by the Holy
      Spirit as recorded in Luke 3:22 [that would be at His baptism]. 
      He ministered as a man anointed by the Holy Spirit. 

These statements tell us that Jesus is divested of His deity.  Evidently, it
matters little to this system whether Jesus was God or man.  Further, Kenneth
Copeland writes,

      The Spirit of God spoke to me and He said, “A born-again man
      defeated Satan, the first-born of many brethren defeated him.” 
      He said, “You are the very image and the very copy of that one.” 
      I said, “Goodness gracious sakes alive!”  I began to see what
      had gone on in there.  And I said, “Well, now You don’t
      mean–You couldn’t dare mean that I could have done the same

      And God said, “Oh yeah! If you’d known that–had the knowledge
      of the Word of God that He did, you could’ve done the same
      thing, because you’re a reborn man too.”  And then God said,
      “The same power that I used to raise Him from the dead, I used
      to raise you from your death and trespasses and sins.  I had to
      have that copy and that pattern to establish judgment on Satan
      so that I could recreate a child and a family and a whole new
      race of mankind.”  And then God said, “You are in His likeness.”

Now this is simply saying, to sum it up, “Jesus came into the world not as
God but as a man.  As a man He died, and then as a reborn man He lived.  And,
in fact, He wasn’t any different then Kenneth Copeland or a lot of other
people.”  That utterance is obviously blasphemous.  It is astonishing to me
that anyone with the barest knowledge of Biblical truth could accept it as
true revelation, but judging from the response to Copeland’s ministry and
many others who teach the same thing, hundreds of thousands of people believe
this, and they are divesting Jesus of His identity.  He is the God-man and to
say that He is anything less than the God-man is heresy!  And again, I mark
for you, note carefully, that in cults it is typical to have an aberrant view
of Christ.

The Word Faith movement also moves on to talk about His Atonement in terms
that are utterly unfamiliar to orthodoxy.  His sacrificial death on the cross
was the primary work our Lord came on earth to accomplish.  The atonement is
the major emphasis of the whole New Testament and is central to everything we
believe and everything that we teach as Christians.  Yet the Word Faith
movement teaches things about the work of Christ that are absolutely aberrant
to the point of blasphemy.  Copeland says,

      Jesus was the first man to ever be borned [sic] from sin to
      righteousness.  He was the pattern of a new race of men to come. 
      Glory to God!  And you know what He did?  The very first thing
      that this reborn man did–See, you have to realize that He died. 
      You have to realize that He went into the pit of hell as a
      mortal man made sin.  But He didn’t stay there, thank God.  He
      was reborn in the pit of hell. 

      The righteousness of God was made to be sin.  He accepted the
      sin nature of Satan in His own spirit, and at the moment that He
      did so, He cried, “My God! My God! Why hast Thou forsaken me?”

      You don’t know what happened at the cross.  Why do you think
      Moses, upon the instruction of God, raised a serpent up on that
      pole instead of a lamb?  That used to bug me.  I said, “Why in
      the world have you got to put that snake up there–the sign of
      Satan.  Why didn’t you put a lamb on that pole?” 

      The Lord said, “Because it was the sign of Satan that was
      hanging on the cross.”  He said, “I accepted in My own spirit
      spiritual death, and the light was turned off.”

Later in that same message Copeland adds,

      The Spirit of Jesus accepting that sin, and making it to be sin,
      He separated from His God, and in that moment, He’s a mortal
      man.  Capable of failure.  Capable of death.  Not only that,
      He’s fixing to be ushered into the Jaws of hell.  And if Satan
      is capable of overpowering Him there, he’ll win the universe,
      and mankind is doomed.  Don’t get the idea that Jesus was
      incapable of failure, because if He had been, it would have been

What in the world kind of double talk is this?  The idea that Jesus is a man,
taking on the nature of Satan, going to hell because He is thrown into the
pit of hell as a sinner waiting to be reborn and entering into some kind of
mortal combat with Satan and the winner gets the universe.  All of that is
absolutely foreign to what the New Testament teaches about the atoning work
of the God-man.  And in fact, Copeland has embraced a heresy known as the
Ransom theory of the atonement also, that is an old heresy that basically
said God has been held up by Satan and until somebody pays Satan a ransom he
is not going to let Jesus go, so God was stuck and He had to pay the ransom
price for salvation to Satan.  Christ’s death was that ransom paid to Satan
to settle the legal claim the devil had on the human race because of Adam’s
sin.  That view, by the way, contradicts the clear teaching that Christ’s
death was a sacrifice offered to God not to Satan, read Ephesians 5:2.

Furthermore, Copeland and the Word Faith teachers move outside of orthodoxy
and teach that Christ died spiritually.  Now we sometimes say that Christ was
separated from the Father on the cross and sometimes we say that is a kind of
spiritual death, but the reality of it is that Christ did not die spiritually
in the sense that His divine spirit went out of existence.  It is error to
teach that Christ’s spirit ceased to exist, “(the light was turned off”) he
called it.  Or, that He was somehow separated from God and became in an
instant a mortal man and worse, took on the nature of Satan, was dragged into
hell and tormented for three days and three nights.  Fred Price who follows
up this same kind of teaching, in a newsletter wrote this:

      Do you think that the punishment for our sin was to die on a
      cross?  If that were the case, the two thieves could have paid
      your price.  No, the punishment was to go into hell itself and
      to serve time in hell separated from God.  Satan and all the
      demons of hell thought that they had Him bound and they threw a
      net over Jesus, and they dragged Him down to the very pit of
      hell itself to serve our sentence.

Two thieves could have paid that price?  Could a zillion thieves on a zillion
crosses have paid the price of our sins?  Obviously not.  Jesus’ deity and
His sinlessness as the only qualified Lamb of God made Him the only person
who could have suffered for our sins.  To say that it could have been anybody
is absolutely ridiculous.  You were redeemed with not perishable things, not
like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your
forefathers but with the precious blood as with a Lamb without blemish and
spot.  The Lamb Christ, the Blood–His Blood.  They are confused about who
Christ is, they don’t know whether He is God or whether He is man, and they
are confused about what happened on the cross, the meaning of the atonement.

Copeland also preaches an aberrant view similar to that I noted from Fred
Price, quoting Copeland,

      Jesus had to go through that same spiritual death in order to
      pay the price–Now it wasn’t the physical death on the cross
      that paid the price for sins because if it had been, any prophet
      of God that had died for the last couple of thousand years
      before that could’ve paid the price.  It wasn’t the physical
      death.  Anybody could do that.

What they are teaching is that Jesus’ death on the cross didn’t save us, what
happen was, He went into hell and that’s where He won our salvation, but that
is not what the Scripture says and that is not what Jesus meant when He said,
“It is,” what? “Finished!”  Now behind these very popular teachings of these
two men is the teaching of Kenneth Hagin.  Kenneth Hagin says,

      Jesus tasted death–spiritual death–for every man.  See sin is
      more than a physical act it’s a spiritual act.  And so, He became
      what we were, that we might become what He is, praise God, and
      so therefore, His spirit was separated from God. 

      Why did He need to be begotten or born?  Because He became like
      we were, separated from God.  Because He tasted spiritual death
      for every man.  And His spirit and inner man went to hell.  In
      my place.  Can’t you see that?  Physical death wouldn’t remove
      your sins.  “He’s tasted death for every man”–He’s talking
      about tasting spiritual death. 

      Jesus is the first person that was ever born again.  Why did His
      spirit need to be born again?  Because it was estranged from

He has Jesus in a prolonged condition of ceasing to be God and being man
alienated from God, in hell, trying to “get His act together” in order that
He can be reborn. 

The Word Faith movement has concocted this strange theology that makes
sinners gods and makes the sinless Son of God into a sinner.  Such teaching
is utterly unbiblical.  It demeans our Lord, it demeans His work, as it is
obvious to anyone. 

Furthermore, the atonement did not take place in hell.  It was completed on
the cross when Jesus said, “It is finished” (recorded in John 19:30).  First
Peter 2:24 says that Christ “bore our sins in His body on the cross,” not in
hell.  Colossians 2:13-14 says He canceled the debt of our sins “and He has
taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.”  Ephesians 1:7 says,
“We have redemption through His blood [‘blood’ here refers to His physical
death–the actual shedding of His blood on the cross],” and there is our
forgiveness.  Jesus promised the repentant thief, “Today, you’ll be with Me,”
where?  “Paradise,” He wasn’t in hell for three days.  He served notice to
hell that the powers of evil were defeated.

The Bible knows nothing of the kind of atonement that exists in this Word
Faith teaching.  The Bible knows nothing about the kind of Jesus they are
talking about either.  They have the wrong God and the wrong Jesus. 

Thirdly, they have the wrong faith.  This is a fascinating and a very central
part of their system.  Let me help you to understand this.  They teach that
faith is some kind of law, some kind of inviolable, immutable, unchanging,
impersonal law–that it is like gravity.  That anybody who gets involved with
it gets the same results.  I mean, you could take ten people up to the top of
a building and you could have three of them that understood the law of
gravity, three of them that knew nothing of the law of gravity, and three of
them that didn’t believe the law of gravity exists, and one person who was
deaf, dumb, and blind and didn’t know anything, and if they all jumped they
would all go down.  Why?  Because the law of gravity works no matter what you
believe.  The law of gravity is fixed.  It is not a question of faith, it is
not a question of anything.  You jump it and you go down!  And they take that
same concept, like the law of gravity, and move it into the spiritual
dimension and say faith is like that.  It doesn’t matter who you are, if you
just enact the law of faith it will work.

Pat Robertson, for example, was asked if the laws of the kingdom work even
for non-Christians and this is what he wrote in his book called  “Answers to
200 of Life’s Most Probing Questions,” he wrote:

      Yes.  These are not just Christian and Jewish principles, any
      more than the law of gravity is Christian and Jewish.  The laws
      of God work for anybody who will follow them.  The principles of
      the Kingdom apply to all of creation.  And what the law of faith
      is all about is “If you believe you can have something–you’ll
      get it!”  If you believe that you are going to get
      well–you’ll get well.  If you believe that you are going to get
      money–you’ll get money.  If you believe that you are going to
      get married–you’ll get married, because you are enacting a law
      and it is an immutable, inviolable law that works for anybody,
      anytime.  It’s impersonal, it’s fixed. 

And what the error of this is, simply stated, is that this puts confidence in
the nature of faith rather than in the object of faith.  It assumes that
there is something inherent in believing, that enacts something, when it
isn’t true at all.  It is not the nature of faith that is effective, it is
the object of faith.  It is my faith in God that gets results, not my faith
in faith.  There used to be a song when I was a kid, and it was a pretty
popular one, “I Believe!”  Do you ever remember that song?  “I believe for
every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows,” and it went on, “I
believe…..I believe”  And that was the whole sentence, “I believe!”  And
you kept wanting to say, “You believe what?  You believe whom?  You believe
how?”  “No, I believe!”  And sometime you hear secular people interviewed and
they say, “Well, I am a person with real faith.  I am really a believing
person.”  “Oh, good.  Well what do you believe?”  “Oh, I just believe in
believing.”  “Good!” 

You see this is the same kind of secular concept taken over into this
movement that says, “If you apply the law of faith, if you just sort of screw
up your faith and say, ‘I believe,’ you’ll make it materialize.  If you could
just eliminate doubt and eliminate all negative thought and just think super
positive, and really believe hard (I don’t know how hard you have to believe,
but harder than most people are able to believe, obviously).”  There are some
people who get rich in this movement, and you know who they are.  Most of the
people stay right where they are–just as poor and unhealthy as they were
before they learned this stuff.

Faith, according to Word Faith doctrine, is not submissive trust in God; it
is not belief in revealed revelation in the Scripture.  Faith is a formula by
which you manipulate the universe, by which you manipulate things.  Charles
Capps says,

      Words governed by spiritual law become spiritual forces working
      for you.  Idle words work against you.  The spirit world is
      controlled by the word of God.  The natural world is to be
      controlled by man speaking God’s words.  So, if you just believe
      and say it with your mouth you’ll make it happen [that’s your
      creative power again].

As the name “Word Faith” implies, this movement teaches that faith is a
matter of what we say more than in whom we trust or what truths we embrace
and affirm in our hearts.  A favorite expression in the Word Faith movement
is “positive confession.”  Have you heard of that?  It refers to the Word
Faith teaching that your words will create, they have creative power.  They
say, “What you say you create!”  So if you believe it strongly enough to
speak it, you’ll create it.  You will create your riches.  You will create
your health.  You will get out of your wheel chair.  It determines everything
that happens to you they say.  Your confessions, based upon your faith in
faith, will bring things to pass, and God has to act because it is a law. 
Whether you are a Christian, Jewish, or Non-Christian it’s going to work. 

Kenneth Hagin writes, “You can have what you say.  You can write your own
ticket with God.  And the first step in writing your own ticket with God is:
Say it.”  What they are trying to do is to get you to say it, and say it, and
say it, and say it, until you finally convince yourself you believe it.  And
then supposedly once your saying it becomes believing it, you will create it. 
He later says, does Kenneth Hagin:

      If you talk about your trials, your difficulties, your lack of
      faith, your lack of money–your faith will shrivel and dry up. 
      But, bless God, if you talk about the Word of God, your lovely
      Heavenly Father, and what He can do–your faith will grow by
      leaps and bounds.

So you just have to talk about it–talk about it.  In his little booklet
called “How To Write Your Own Ticket With God,” Hagin’s supposedly inspired
four-point sermon is: Say it, do it, receive it, and tell it.  Hagin claims
Jesus told him, “If anybody, anywhere, will take these four steps or put
these four principles into operation, he will always have whatever he wants
from Me or God the Father.”  Write your own ticket!  The idea of course has
bred superstition, terrible disappointment, and tragic things.  Magical
incantations is all they are, it’s a form of Voodoo.  It has no value beyond

Charles Capps warns against the dangers of speaking negative confessions, he

      We have programmed our vocabulary with the devil’s language.  We
      have brought sickness and disease into our vocabulary and even
      death.  The main word so many people use to express themselves
      is death–the word, “death.” 

      “I am just dying to do that.”  They will say, “I’m going to die
      if I don’t.  That just tickled me to death.” 

      Now that, my friend, is perverse speech.  That’s contrary to
      God’s Word.  Death is of the devil. . . .  We need not “buddy-
      up” with death.  All men are going to die soon enough, so don’t
      start “buddying up” to it now. 

In other words, you don’t want to say those words, because it might happen. 
That’s how powerful you are–you could kill yourself! 

Positive confession, listen, would rule out the confession of sin, wouldn’t
it?  Word Faith books on prayer, Word Faith books on spiritual growth are
utterly lacking in any teaching about confessing sin.  Of course, they
undermine the crucial teaching of 1 John 1:9, “If we confess our sins, He is
faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 

In fact, positive-confession encourages people to absolutely ignore their
sins and deny their reality.  Doesn’t it?  You don’t want to mention anything
negative.  It has produced multitudes of people who perpetually wear these
emotionless smiles out of fear.  Fear that a negative confession might bring
them bad fortune and so they may be piling up sin which is never ever dealt
with.  This is like the Hindu view of “Karma” or some pagan concept of bad
luck, i.e., “I don’t want to say that or it might bring me bad luck.”  Hagin
admits that he feels that way himself (I’m quoting him):

      I wouldn’t tell anybody if I had a doubt-thought, or a fear-
      thought [he won’t say a sin-thought or a sin].  I wouldn’t
      accept it.  I wouldn’t tell somebody if the thought came to
      me–and you know the devil can put all kinds of thoughts in your
      mind.  We are a product of WORDS.  Did you ever stop to think
      that the Bible teaches that there is a health and a healing in
      your tongue?  [So he says you must never say things that are

      I never talk of sickness.  I don’t believe in sickness.  I talk
      health.  I believe in healing.  I believe in health.  I never
      talk sickness.  I never talk disease. [He’s just talking
      sickness and talking disease].  I talk healing. 

      I never talk failure.  I don’t believe in failure.  I believe in
      success.  I never talk defeat.  I don’t believe in defeat.  I
      believe in winning, hallelujah to Jesus!

Now, they won’t say the word sin.  They won’t say we never talk sin, but they
never talk sin.  That perspective is rife with obvious problems.  Bruce
Barron tells of one Word Faith church where

      The pastor rose sheepishly to instruct his congregation on a
      ticklish concern.  Some of the church members, he had heard,
      were spreading contagious diseases among the church’s little
      ones by bringing their sick babies to the nursery.  Against the
      nursery volunteers’ protests, these parents were positively
      confessing that their children were well.  Since the parents had
      claimed their healing, there was nothing to worry about.  They
      may have been dismissing those persistent whines and coughs as
      lying symptoms, but those lying symptoms proved to be
      contagious, and only an announcement from the pulpit could
      succeed in putting an end to the problem.

Foolish!  Word Faith denial of diseases and problems as “lying symptoms” robs
believers of an opportunity to minister with compassion and understanding to
suffering people.  Would you like to be in a Word Faith Church and have the
gift of showing mercy, and try to find somebody who would admit they needed
it?  You might look a long time because everybody would be running around and
saying, “I’m fine, I’m fine, I’m well, I’m whole, I’m healed, I’m rich!” 

How are you going to help somebody when nobody is allow to talk about
anything?  How can you help someone whose symptoms you believe are lies from
Satan–or worse, the result of sinful unbelief, that anytime somebody’s sick
it’s because they are a sinful unbeliever?  Consequently, many Word Faith
devotees tend to be unfeeling, callous, indifferent, even to the point of
being coarse and abrasive toward people they assume don’t have enough faith
to claim a healing.

Bruce Barron tells of a pastor and his wife, unable to bear children, who
“were told by a member of their church that they needed to ‘confess’ a
pregnancy and display their faith by purchasing a baby stroller and walking 
down the street with it!”  Now, that is pretty callous, don’t you think?  A
few years ago I received a heart-rending letter from a dear woman who was
deceived by “positive confession” theology, believed God wanted her to write
everyone she knew with a baby announcement for the child she was hoping to
conceive.  She was incapable of having children but she sent out all these
baby announcements.  Months later she had to write to everyone again to 
explain that the expected “faith baby” didn’t come.  She was quick to add,
however, that she was still claiming a pregnancy by faith, and she was
fearful that someone might take her second letter as a “negative confession.” 
Just the normal hurts and heartaches of life you can’t even deal with!

Kenneth Hagin seems callous even about the death of his own sister from 
lingering cancer.  He writes:

      My sister got down to 79 pounds.  The Lord kept telling me that
      she was going to die.  I kept asking the Lord why I couldn’t
      change the outcome.  He told me she had had five years in which
      she could have studied the Word and built up her faith (she was
      saved), but she hadn’t done it.  He told me she was going to
      die, and she did.  This is a sad example, but it’s true.

That’s pretty callous isn’t it?  Word Faith theology makes the healer a hero
when miraculous cures are claimed, but always blames the seeker for a lack of 
faith when a healing does not happen.  Hagin describes an incident when he
was attempting to heal an arthritic woman.  Her disease had crippled her so 
badly that she was unable to walk.  He became frustrated at her unwillingness
to let go of her wheel chair.

      I pointed my finger at her and said, “Sister, you don’t have an
      ounce of faith, do you?” 

      Without thinking, she blurted out, “No, Brother Hagin, I don’t! 
      I don’t believe I’ll ever be healed.  I’ll go to my grave from
      this chair.”  She said it, and she did it.  And we weren’t to

Remember, positive confession teaches people that their words are
determinative.  God is not the object of their faith and God is not the force
in their life.  Word Faith devotees learn to put their faith in their own
words.  Hagin bluntly says, “faith in [their] own faith.”  He has a book
titled, “Having Faith in Your Faith.”  What this is is idolatry.  This is
having faith in you, which makes you what?  God! 

Try to follow his logic as he attempts to substantiate this idea.  Here’s
what he writes:

      Did you ever stop to think about having faith in your own faith?
      Evidently God had faith in His faith, because He spoke the words 
      of faith and they came to pass.  Evidently Jesus had faith in
      His faith, because He spoke to the fig tree, and what He said
      came to pass.

      In other words, having faith in your words is having faith in
      your faith.

      That’s what you’ve got to learn to do to get things from God:
      Have faith in your faith.  It would help you to get faith down
      in your spirit to say out loud, “Faith in my faith.”  Keep
      saying it until it registers in your heart.  I know it sounds
      strange when you first say it; your mind almost rebels against
      it.  But we are not talking about your head; we’re talking about
      faith in your heart.  As Jesus said, “. . . and shall not doubt 
      in his heart. . . .”

What is that?  Once again you will notice that he manages to depreciate the 
Father and Son by saying God has faith and Christ has faith.  Can we
accurately speak of the faith of an omniscient, sovereign God?  He turns
faith, moreover, into some kind of magical formula and our words into an
abracadabra by which we “get things from God” like rubbing a magic lamp.
There is no biblical basis for any of these ideas about faith.  The only
appropriate objects of our faith are God and His infallible Word, His Son,
and His Spirit.

Nevertheless, these Word Faith believers view their positive confessions
as an incantation by which they conjure up whatever they want.  Kenneth Hagin
says, “Believe it in your heart; say it with your mouth.  That is the
principle of faith and you can have what you say.”  Such teachings have led 
many people into gross materialism.  I’ll be real honest with you, I
personally believe that in many of the cases of these leaders this is simply
a theology developed to support their materialism–that’s all. 

John Avanzini, one of the lesser-known Word Faith teachers, spent an evening
on Trinity Broadcasting Network arguing that Jesus was actually rich.  He
pointed to Judas’s role as treasurer and said, “You’ve got to handle lots of
money to need a treasurer.”  More recently, as a guest on Kenneth Copeland’s 
broadcast, Avanzini said he believes Scripture teaches that Jesus had a big 
house and wore designer clothes.  All of that is touted as justification for 
the Word Faith teachers’ lavish lifestyle and materialistic bent.

Robert Tilton goes a step further, he said this: “Being poor is a sin.”  I
would hate to take that message to the Soviet Union and give that to the
Church.  He said, “My God’s rich!  And He’s trying to show you how to draw
out of your heavenly account that Jesus bought and paid for and purchased 
for you at Calvary.”  Tilton says, “New house?  New car?  That’s chicken 
feed.  That’s nothing compared to what God wants to do for you.”  How is this
cargo to be obtained?  Well, Tilton suggests that his followers make a “vow
of faith” in the form of a gift to his ministry.  This is what he says:

      I like a thousand-dollar vow, because I don’t like half-hearted
      people, lukewarm, just, “Well, I’ll do a little . . .” I like a
      thousand-dollar vow of faith. . . .  I’m not talking to you that’s
      got it.  You that’s got it don’t pay a bit of attention to me. 
      I’m talking to you that don’t have it, and I’m showing you how
      you can get it!  Yes, the Lord’s work gets a portion of it.  But
      you get the biggest portion.  You get the biggest blessing.  I’m
      trying to talk you out of that dump you’re in!  I’m trying to
      talk you into a decent car!… I’m trying to help you!  Quit
      cursing me!  Quit cursing me!  God, what will pull this blessing
      from you?  I am a blessing.  I have been blessed supernaturally
      by God.  I bring a blessing to you this day, and I know it, and
      my responsibility is to take it to you.

Then Tilton encourages his listeners to pray the prayer of faith, “not one 
of those, ‘Lord, if it be Thy will–‘ I know what the will of God is when it 
concerns healing, and prosperity, and divine direction….  I don’t have to
pray a prayer of doubt and unbelief.”  In other words, Robert Tilton wants
you to make a thousand-dollar vow of faith to his ministry, especially if you 
can’t afford it.  He doesn’t want you to pray for God’s will on the matter.
After all, you can demand what you want and God must give it to you.  What’s
the difference what God’s will is?  Set your vow at a thousand, and demand
that God provide the money, send it to him and wait to get rich.  And as I
said, some people are getting rich and a lot of people are a thousand-dollar

Richard Roberts, echoing his father’s “seed-faith” concept, urged viewers to
“sow a seed on your MasterCard, your Visa or your American Express, and then 
when you do, expect God to open the windows of heaven and pour you out a
blessing.”  Oral Roberts once mailed out plastic bags full of “holy water” 
from the River of Life Fountain at ORU.  To demonstrate how to use the 
stuff, he poured a bag of it over his own wallet on his television program
while standing knee deep in the fountain.  And that is supposed to be the key
to getting your cargo delivered. 

Why do so many believers (supposed believers) try this stuff and don’t get
rich?  Fred Price explains:

      If you’ve got one-dollar faith and you ask for a ten-thousand-
      dollar item, it ain’t going to work.  It won’t work.  Jesus
      said, “according to your faith,” not according to God’s will for
      you, in His own good time, if it’s according to His will, if He
      can work it into His busy schedule [see him mocking God and
      mocking the concept of God’s will].  He said, “According to your
      faith, be it unto you.”

      Now, I may want a Rolls Royce, and don’t have but bicycle faith.
      Guess what I’m going to get? A bicycle [But guess what he’s
      (Fred Price) got?].

Thus God’s ability to bless us supposedly hangs on our faith.  Note that both 
Price and Tilton recoil from the idea of praying, “If it be Thy will.”  But
that is exactly what the Bible teaches, “This is the confidence (1 John 5:14)
which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything [what] according to His
will, He hears us.”  Hagin goes so far as to claim that no such truth is
taught in the New Testament:

      Because we didn’t understand what Jesus said, and because we’ve
      been religiously brainwashed instead of New Testament-taught, we   
      watered down the promises of God and tacked on something that
      Jesus didn’t say, and added on something else to it: “Well, He 
      will all right if it’s His will, but it might not be His will,” 
      people have said.  And yet, you don’t find that kind of talk in
      the New Testament.  [It’s in mine!]

Hagin has also written, “It is unscriptural to pray, ‘If it is the will of 
God.’  When you put an ‘if’ in your prayer, you are praying in doubt.”  Romans
8:27 tells us that even the Holy Spirit “intercedes for the saints according
to the will of God.” 

Far from stressing, beloved, the importance of wealth, the Bible warns
against pursuing it, doesn’t it?  Believers, especially leaders in the
Church, are to be free from the love of money.  The love of money leads to
all kinds of evil.  “Beware” Jesus warned, “and be on your guard against
every form of greed; for not even when one has an abundance does his life
consist of his possessions” (Luke 12:15).  In sharp contrast to the Word
Faith gospel’s emphasis on gaining money and possessions in this life, Jesus
said, “Do not lay up for yourselves” What? “treasures on earth.”  And He also
said in Matthew 6:24: “You can’t serve God and money.”

This is really not Christianity, this is not New Testament theology.  The
concept that the universe (God) is governed by some impersonal spiritual law 
is not biblical.  It is a denial of God’s sovereignty and God’s providence. 
It is really a form of deism, if a somewhat ignorant one.  Furthermore, the
notion that we can use words mystically and magically to control reality is
far removed from the biblical pattern of faith, and believe me has more in
common with Christian Science than Christianity.  Most Word Faith teachers
vehemently deny that their teachings have anything to do with Christian
Science or other metaphysical cults, but they do.  I don’t know how you can
distinguish between the two. 

Now, I want to say something and I want you to listen to it.  The Word Faith
movement: Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Fred Price, Charles Capps, Robert
Tilton, et al, and it goes on and on from there, can be traced all the way
back.  Every major figure in the movement was mentored by Kenneth Hagin or
one of his close disciples.  Every doctrinal distinctive of the movement is
traceable to Kenneth Hagin who’s in Tulsa, Oklahoma. 

There is a book called, “A Different Gospel,” by D. R. McConnell.  And one of
the things that is very fascinating in that McConnell points out that Kenneth
Hagin gleaned these teachings from the writings of a faith evangelist named
E. W. Kenyon.  In fact, I quoted earlier to you that Kenneth Hagin said that
he got all of this from the Lord, the truth is that he plagiarized much of
it.  In fact, McConnell states that Hagin plagiarized the writings of a
Christian Missionary Alliance minister named John A. MacMillan.  A man named
W. R. Scott gives solid evidence that these accusations are true as well. 
Specifically, it is incontrovertible that Hagin lifted at least three-
quarters of his book “The Authority of the Believer” verbatim from MacMillan’s
magazine article of the same title.  Scott also documents Hagin’s plagiarism
of Finis Jennings Dake, who wrote a very interesting study Bible called the
“Dake Study Bible,” in other words, huge sections of the writings of Hagin
have been plagiarized from other sources. 

He not only borrowed ideas from Kenyon; but McConnell includes several pages 
of column-by-column text that proves beyond question that Hagin repeatedly
plagiarized long sections of the writings of E. W. Kenyon, word-for-word-for-
word-for-word-for-word.  And so there is a track, there’s a kind of
historical track.  Kenyon’s roots were in the metaphysical cults.  He was a
faith-healer not in the Pentecostal tradition, but in the sense of Mary 
Baker Eddy and Christian Science.  He attended a college that specialized in 
training lecturers for the metaphysical science cults.  And he imported and
adapted into his system most of the essential ideas these cults propagated. 
And Hagin absorbed them from E. W. Kenyon and in many cases word-for-word.

The truth of it is, McConnell’s book is a devastating expose’ (the book
entitled “A Different Gospel” published by Peabody in 1988), it is a
devastating expose’ of the Word Faith movement.  It demonstrates irrefutably 
that Word Faith teachers owe their ancestry to groups like Christian Science, 
Swedenborgianism, Theosophy, Science of Mind, and New Thought–not classical
Pentecostalism.  It isn’t classical Pentecostalism, it really is not
Christianity at its core, it is corrupt, it is cultish, not Christian. 

It is a mongrel system, it is a blend of mysticism, dualism, and neo-
gnosticism that borrows from the metaphysical cults.  Its perverse teachings 
are causing untold harm to the Christian church, as you obviously know.  It
is, I believe, in the words of Peter a “destructive or damnable heresy” 

Despite what Word Faith teachers say, God is not just a source of cargo–is
He?  We are His servants, not He ours.  He has called us to live lives of
loving service and worship, not godlike supremacy.  He blesses us, but not
always materially.  In no way can we “write our own ticket” and expect him 
to follow the script.  The life of a Christian is a life spent in pursuit of
God’s will–not a life in which God is chasing around trying to fulfill our
will.  No one who rejects that fundamental concept of the relationship to the
believer, between the believer and the true God, the true Christ, and true
Faith can genuinely be called Christian.

Well, you can see the seriousness of this.  Right?  If you have the wrong God,
and the wrong Jesus, and the wrong Faith, it’s hard to have the right
salvation, if not impossible. 

In conclusion, there are a few things that I need to say, lest I be
misunderstood.  We have covered a lot of things in these weeks and I want to
wrap it up, and I want you to listen very carefully, because I do not want to
be misunderstood.

I know many charismatics who are committed, consistent, honorable believers 
devoted to the Word of God.  Many Pentecostals are godly people.  Numerous
charismatic churches and individual Pentecostal-Charismatic believers reject
many of the errors which I have highlighted in this series.  We would find
many Pentecostals, many Pentecostal-Charismatic churches and believers who
would agree with our assessment of many of these movements.  And I am not
attempting to color all these people the same color.  Within the
Penetcostal-Charismatic movement there is everything from evangelical
orthodoxy all the way over to rank heresy.

I am grateful that some in the Pentecostal tradition have the courage to 
confront error in their movement and call all charismatics to a biblical
perspective–and I wish more of them would do that.  I am grateful for those
who will speak out against these evil things.  One of the pamphlets that
first alerted me to the terrible, terrible teaching in the Health-Wealth
movement was written by Chuck Smith, pastor of Calvary Chapel, a
straightforward critique of charismatic extremism.  There are many like him
who have taken their stand and I thank God for their courage and their desire
to be biblical, and I don’t want for any moment for people to think that I
don’t believe there are such people in that Pentecostal tradition because, in
fact, there are.  But listen carefully.

I also believe that the seeds of these errors that they wish to fight are
sometimes inherent in the very doctrines that they believe.  If you believe
that the Baptism of the Spirit is subsequent to and separate from salvation,
you have now created two classes of believers.  If you believe in mystical
experience, transcendent esoteric kinds of supernatural things, then what you
will do is depreciate study, spiritual discipline and the means of grace by
which you grow.  If you exalt feeling you will denigrate reason, and open the
mind and the spirit to powers that people cannot understand or deal with.  As
long as these kind of things lie at the core of Pentecostal tradition the
potential for disaster is there, and if you believe that God is still giving
revelation of any kind–the lid is off.

This book is not only a statement of truth to people who already believe it
but an appeal to my charismatic friends to examine what they believe, as well
as an appeal to non-charismatics to see the difference and to see that the
differences are not inconsequential.

A final thought, many people who read my book and who listen to these tapes
like will be concerned about its effect on the unity of the body of Christ. 
I want you to know something, I have no desire to place a gulf between
charismatic and non-charismatic believers.  I have no desire to make a rift
between those segments of the Church.  May I say to you–that rift is already
there and the only way that you can avoid its reality is just flatly deny it
or refuse to recognize it.  My concern is to call the church to unity around
the truth.  Believe me the most serious damage done to the church by the
charismatic movement has been precisely in the matter of unity.  Who knows
how many thousands of churches have split over these issues?  The number
would stagger us all.  Charismatic doctrine in itself is schismatic, because
it erects a fence between the common ordinary believer and those who have
leaped up to the higher levels.  Thus the partition between charismatics and
non-charismatics was actually put in place by the charismatic system itself.

And there is a second tendency that compounds the problem, and that is the 
disposition of many charismatics who, in the name of unity, are willing to
embrace everyone and anyone–even if it means overlooking doctrine.  So on
the one hand if you say you don’t believe what they believe they’ll create a
schism, but on the other hand, if you will tolerate what they believe they’ll
accept you no matter what you believe.  Do you understand that?  They have
unwittingly succeeded in becoming the kind of worldwide ecumenical force that
many liberals envisioned the World Council of Churches would become.  They
have become the ecumenical movement of the world–the liberals couldn’t pull
it off!  Charismatics are doing it, Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Christians,
Protestants, and all kinds of sects, isms, and schisms are all uniting under
the charismatic banner.  Far from being a positive corollary to the
movement’s growth, this ecumenical influence may well prove to be the most
potentially disastrous long-term effect of the charismatic phenomenon.  It is
disastrous because as long as you’ll tolerate what they do they will take
you in.

One writer pointed out the inconsistency of the charismatic movement’s
marriage with ecumenism, listen to this, this is Thomas Edgar:

      Is it not inconsistent that a movement which claims to be in
      direct contact with the Holy Spirit, to have all the gifts such
      as prophecy, apostleship, and the word of knowledge, to
      communicate directly with God by tounges-speaking and other
      means, can at the same time include Roman Catholics,
      conservative and liberal Protestants, amillennialists,     
      premillennialists, Calvinists, Arminians, those who deny the
      verbal inspiration of the Bible, and those who reject Christ’s
      vicarious atonement on the cross? 

That’s a fair question.  If they’ve got all this revelation certainty they
ought to be able to sort that group out.  Further, Thomas Edgar writes:

      Apparently the Holy Spirit is not concerned with communicating 
      any information to correct all these differences, many of which 
      are crucial and some of which are incorrect.  All this direct 
      communication with the Spirit has apparently done nothing to
      correct even basic errors.  It has not produced unity among 
      charismatics regarding the nature and purpose of many of the 
      gifts.  This movement has solved no theological issue, produced
      no advance in biblical knowledge, and has not produced more
      spiritual Christians.  Would such an effusion of the genuine
      Spirit of God produce so little?

Wouldn’t you assume that if this movement was really feeling the full power
of the Holy Spirit that the Spirit would be delivering them some sound
doctrine?  Gordon Clark has also written about the dangers of charismatic 
ecumenism.  He quoted an article from a charismatic magazine celebrating the 
inroads Pentecostalism is making into Catholicism, then he said this, this is
Gordon Clark:

      Several things immediately strike any reader who is not asleep.
      First, the tongues experience is tremendously important.  If it
      is not true to say that nothing else matters, it nonetheless
      seems true to say that nothing else matters very much.  Speaking 
      in tongues is the chief mark of a dedicated Christian.  The
      clear implication is that the worship of the virgin Mary is
      unobjectionable, if one speaks in tongues.  There is little   
      point in justification by faith alone, one can accept merit from 
      the treasury of the Saints, transubstantiation can be
      acknowledged; if only one speaks in tongues.  Still more
      fundamental, one can place tradition on a level with Scripture
      and even assert new revelations from God, if only one speaks in 
      tongues.  The Pentecostal minister [mentioned in the article in
      question], note well, said, “There has been no attempt to
      proselyte Roman Catholics.”  In other words, Romanism is
      acceptable, if only one speaks in tongues.

You see the point is, Charismatic ecumenism is steadily eroding the identity
of biblical Christianity.  In Asia, shocking new charismatic cults are
springing up, blending Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, and other teachings
with Western Charismatism.  The charismatic movement as a whole is entirely
unequipped to defend against such influences.  How can they confront errant 
groups–even ones that are overtly heathen?  Listen to this.  For in the
charismatic movement, unity is a question of shared religious experience, not
doctrine.  If doctrine doesn’t matter, then why not embrace Buddhist
Charismatics?  And that is exactly what is happening.

And so while charismatic doctrine tends to be divisive among groups that are
orthodox, it is not divisive among groups that are heteradox.  They are
building bridges to the false religions and cutting off the truth.  Well, it
is a serious issue and we need to know as we have been learning what the Word
of God has to say.

The only appropriate response to all of this, very simple, is a return to 
this Book.  Right?  Everything is tested by this.  The sad truth is, the
legacy of the Charismatic movement has been chaos and doctrinal confusion. 
Their approach to spirituality is unsound and fraught with potential
disillusionment, and some of the people in the movement are in despair,
disappointed, defeated, and some of them are desperate.  The spiritual “good
life” that they hear about all the time never seems to happen and they are
looking for the key to real Christian life.  I would encourage you, in love,
to take on the responsibility, graciously, to evangelize these people, and
if, in fact, they do know Christ, show them the true path to spiritual

Father, we thank you tonight for this wonderful time we have shared.  Thank
you for the clarity with which your Word speaks to matters such as this.  For
those who love Christ, who are our brothers and sisters in this movement, we
pray, God, show them the truth, that they might find the path of true
spirituality and gain victory over the flesh and true joy and blessing. 

For those in the movement, who under the illusion that they are saved, when
in fact, they are not, may they see the true God, the true Christ, and
exercise true faith. 

God we pray, somehow, You would silence those who speak error and give voice
to those who speak the truth.  To this end we pray that You might be
glorified.  In the Savior’s Name.  Amen.

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