Questions and Answers on Romans 1-2
Written by: MacArthur Jr., John Posted on: 04/08/2003
The following message was delivered at Grace Community Church in Panorama
City, California, By John MacArthur Jr. It was transcribed from the tape,
GC 45-21, titled "Questions and Answers on Romans 1-2." A copy of the tape
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Questions and Answers on Romans 1-2
One of the things that I love to do is answer questions about Scripture
because I get excited to know what you really want to know. We've done this
through all the years that I have been here, now we do it regularly, about
every month on Wednesday night. So if you don't get your question answered
tonight, soon there will be a time on a Wednesday evening when you can come
and ask the question there. And if you do have questions, let me also
emphasize that you should feel very free to write to us and express your
questions in a letter, and that way we be able to answer you personally,
which we will be glad to do [address at the beginning of this file].
I think that we ought to begin with our questions on the Book of Romans,
since Romans has been our study. You might open your Bible to chapters 1 and
2. For several months we have been studying Romans 1 and 2, and I know many
folks have had questions in their minds, and I wanted specifically to answer
some of those related to the Book of Romans.
The first question comes out of chapter one, verse seven. It says in 1:7,
"To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called saints."
"What did Paul mean in Romans 1:7, concerning 'To all that be in
Rome . . . called saints?'"
I think probably, the confusion comes that so many people are raised in a
Roman Catholic background where they are used to hearing the term "saint" in
reference to some very unique individual who has been "canonized" by the
Catholic church. You think of Saint So-and-So or Saint So-and-So and that's
your identification. If you go into a Catholic Church and you go down what
is known as the "Apes (sp.) of the Church" as opposed to the "Nave," all the
way down the "Apes" of a large Catholic church, you will see along the sides
"stations" occupied by certain saints.
I'll never forget the story of Dr. Kiper (sp.) who expressed that he took his
friend into the great cathedral in New York (Saint Paul's Cathedral) and his
friend wanted to visit that, he was a Roman Catholic visiting in the city
while Dr. Kiper was attending Columbia University, and he had particular
interest in Saint Joseph who was his own private saint (if you can have one)
and he wanted to go and worship at the shrine of Saint Joseph, and they both
went there together, only to find a sign hanging around the neck of Saint
Joseph which said, "Do not worship here, this Saint is out of order."
Apparently, there was something wrong with the mechanics of the lighting and
other things that went on there. Dr. Kiper said that was the greatest
opening to witness about who really is always "in order" that he ever had in
So I don't think we want to be confused about who is a saint. The simple
answer will come to you if you simply open your Bible to 1 Corinthians,
chapter 1, and look at verse 2, and then you will know for all time what a
saint or who a saint really is.
In 1 Corinthians 1, Paul identifies himself as the author, and he identifies
the recipients as "The church of God, which is at Corinth, to them that are
sanctified in Christ Jesus (or set apart), called saints, with all that in
every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord." Now, there you
have a definition of a saint: one who is sanctified in Christ Jesus and who
calls upon the name of Jesus Christ. In any place, in any city, anyone who
has been sanctified in Christ Jesus, through salvation, who calls upon His
name as Lord--is a saint! The word means "set apart," or "holy" (hagios is
the Greek word). Anyone who is a Christian is a saint--anyone! You find
that, that term is used in many, many places to address Christians.
In 2 Corinthians 1:1, there is a greeting with "all the saints who are in
Achaia" and this is a typical Pauline expression, as it was throughout the
life of the early church. Ephesians chapter 1, "to the saints who are at
Ephesus." It is simply a term used to describe any Christian. So I hope
"You've explained that Romans 1 deals with God's righteous judgment
concerning the unsaved, degenerate man, who are given over to a depraved
mind. You have explained that Romans 2 concerns the basically religious or
moral man, but who is still without Christ. How does, or how will God deal
with the back-slidden carnal Christian?"
Now we know how God will deal with the unregenerate, whether they are immoral
or moral, whether they are irreligious or religious. Right? Judgment! But
how does God deal with back-slidden carnal Christians? I think that there
are four Scriptures that answer that for us, and I am going to give them to
1. I believe God "chastens." 1 Corinthians 5, provides an illustration for
us. It says there in verse 1, that there is an individual in the church who
is having a sexual relationship with his father's wife. That probably is a
term that refers to his stepmother, or it would say "his mother," so it was
his stepmother, and it nonetheless would be considered not only immoral in
the general sense, but in the specific sense of incest. And not only was
this going on, but you are puffed up (verse 2), and haven't mourned over such
sin, but rather you look at it as if it was a notch in your belt.
And so, because of this, he tells the church (verse 4), "In the name of our
Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, and my spirit, with the
power of our Lord Jesus Christ, to deliver such an one unto Satan for the
destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord
Now, the text says that this is a saved individual because in the end, in the
"day of the Lord" the spirit is going to be--what? saved. So, this is a
believing person, but for the time he is to be delivered to Satan for the
destruction of his flesh, and this is to be done by the church (verse 4),
"When you are gathered together, and my spirit is present with you, and the
authority of the Lord Jesus Christ (power and authority are the same thing),"
when you are gathered together and you have the authority of Christ, as the
duly constituted church and you come across a sinful member--put him out of
the church. That's the first way God deals with a back-slidden carnal
believer. The church is to turn that individual over to Satan and there will
be a chastening in the physical dimension, ultimately the spirit, or the soul
being saved because it is a believer.
2. Now there is a second factor that we need to talk about, relative to
chastening, and that's in Hebrews 12:5. This is the element of chastening
that is not so much the design of the corporate body of the church, but is
the individual attention of the Spirit of God Himself, in a personal
chastening. It says, in the middle of verse 5,
My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint
when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he
chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If you
endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what
son is he whom the father chasteneth not? And if He doesn't
chasten you, then you are a bastard, and not a son at all. It
is like a father Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh
which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not
much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and
And he goes on to talk about it. So there is, in the life of a carnal and
disobedient Christian (and carnal may not be the best term to use. The
disobedient Christian I think fits better biblically), but when you have a
disobedient, back-slidden (is the word Jeremiah used, so that's a good word)
Christian, you have
1. The responsibility of the Church to put that person out, if in fact they
will not repent of such sin.
2. The Spirit of God personally gets involved in the life of that individual
in a chastening manner.
Now, turn for a moment to 2 John 8, I want to show you a third thing that can
occur in the life of a back-slidden, disobedient Christian. Verse 8, 2 John,
"Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be
rewarded fully." What this indicates, is that a believer could come to
the point in his life where his disobedience caused the forfeiture of that
which he had already gained as a reward, previous to his disobedience. The
Lord has given you a promise that there will be a reward for faithfulness.
If you are faithful He has given the reward, but He reserves the right to
take it back, in light of unfaithfulness. So there definitely will be
chastening by the Lord. There should be chastening by the Church. There
will be a loss of reward; an empty-handedness if you will at the time of
rewards at the Bema Seat.
Under those things we could talk about a lot of other things: of course, you
forfeit blessings, and joy, and assurance, and all kinds of things that
occur. But I guess we could sum it all up by saying, there is a loss of the
meaning and the meaningfulness of salvation. When a person is back-slidden,
and disobedient, and sinful, they not only lose the sense of their salvation
and their assurance (that's why 2 Peter 1 talks about making your calling and
election sure by adding certain things to your life). They not only lose the
sense of their salvation, but they lose the meaningfulness of it, that is,
the blessedness of it.
Now, I have to add another thing, after those four, the one other thing that
happens, that God does to a back-slidden, disobedient Christian (are you
ready for this one?), is to forgive them in spite of their sin. Aren't you
glad to hear that? And the text is 1 John 2:1, "My little children, these
things write I unto you, that ye sin not." And of course, we know
that he is referring to believers whom he calls his dear children. Don't
sin! Obviously, don't be disobedient or back-slidden, "But if anybody does
sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the
Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice (the propitiation, the covering,
the mercy seat), the "hilasterion" (Greek) for our sins, and not only for ours
but also for the sins of the whole world." So that if we do sin, Jesus
Christ as our Savior is our covering for our sins, and He has forgiven us all
of our trespasses, Ephesians one tells us.
So where there is sin and disobedience in the life of a believer there will
be chastening by the Lord, there should be chastening by the Church, there
will be a loss of reward, and a certain empty-handedness at the time of
rewards, there will be a loss of the sense of being saved, and the
blessedness of being saved, and that's why you see John says "We write these
things unto you that your joy may be. . . ." what? "full." But on top of all
of those things, we also have the promise that God will, in spite of our sin,
forgive us, because Jesus Christ has already paid the price even for the sin
we haven't committed. And since the price is paid, His death for us becomes
a covering. Isn't that a great grace that God has given us? That's why it
is so important to affirm what we call eternal security, because the lack of
eternal security strikes a blow against the efficacy of the death of Christ.
We will say more about that in a little while.
"What is God's purpose for judgment and wrath?"
I think that I can just answer that just very simply.
1. It is to punish those who reject Him, and that is simply what the Bible
says. God's wrath is set to punish. Romans 1:18, "The wrath of God is
revealed from heaven against all the ungodliness and unrighteousness of men
who hold the truth in unrighteousness." God will punish them for that.
There is a price to pay for the rejection of the truth. So, the first
purpose of God's judgment and wrath is punishment.
2. I would add a second purpose. I really believe that secondly (and this
is in a large theological framework) I believe that God's purpose for
punishment is the ultimate elimination of evil from His kingdom, once and for
all, and forever. In other words, I think God, throughout the history of
man, in allowing sin, allowed it in order that He might destroy it. Do you
understand what I am saying?
If there is an up--there is a down, and if there is an in--there is an out,
if there is a left--there is a right. In other words, we live in a world of
opposites. And if there is a good--there was always potentially an evil, and
eventually that evil was made manifest. It was as if God had allowed it to
happen so that He could once and for all destroy it. He allowed it to run
its full course, with its full power, and its full impact, and shows in the
end that He can utterly destroy and eliminate it from His eternal kingdom.
All of this is happening in a brief span, in the mists of eternity. Once
evil has finally run it course and God has finally set it aside, it will
never again exist throughout all of forever. And so I believe that there is
a sense in which there is an individual perspective that God is angry because
He is punishing individuals for rejection, and on a broader scale God is
exhibiting His wrath for the purpose of ultimately destroying evil and
setting it in the place it belongs--outside His kingdom forever and ever.
"Who is judged at the Great White Throne?"
Turn in your Bible to the 20th chapter of Revelation, and I really haven't
put these in any other order than just to throw them in the Romans pile. I
got a little pile here from Matthew, and some about prophecy (I always get a
few of those), and some over here on dating. All of those of you who would
like a date, see our college pastor, Allan Adidian (sp.), he may have another
list of people who are waiting for someone like you, and we can match you all
up, or our singles group might too.
But this question comes out Revelation 20, and it has to do, of course, what
we studied about Romans--the judgment of the evil. In verse 11 of Revelation
20, "I saw a great white throne and Him that sat on it, from whose face the
earth and heaven fled away, and there was found no place for them." Of
course, this is God sitting on His throne in ultimate judgment. Christ is
there as well because all judgment is committed unto Him. He sits in the
Father's throne and so forth, from earlier in Revelation, and we know that as
well from the Gospel of John.
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God." "Small and great"
doesn't mean short and tall, it means insignificant and significant.
"And the books were opened." And people often ask the question, "Well,
doesn't God know who's save and who's not saved? What does He have to have
Because, God is just, and God will not judge a person without manifesting the
objective criteria for that judgment. So there is no question in the mind of
anyone. God has kept the records. He knows every thought, and every word,
and every deed ever done by every human being who ever lived, and it is all
down so that judgment is on the basis of their works. He'll have the record
and He will also have the Book of Life.
"And the dead were judged out of those things written in the books, according
to their works." You see, works are the objective criteria which God uses.
"And the sea gave up the dead that were in it; death and Hades delivered up
the dead that were in them: and they were judged every man according to their
works." And there you are again, you shouldn't have a problem with that,
judgment is on the basis of works--ultimately.
"And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second
death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into
the lake of fire." Now, I believe that this is a judgment of unbelievers. I
do not believe that we see here believing people. People then say, "Then,
why is the Book of Life here?" Simply because that is another criteria by
which God judges. One, He will open all the books, which give all the
records of all the deeds of all the ungodly. And then He will open up the
Book of Life, and not only will all their deeds manifest their ungodliness,
but their absence in the Book of Life will be the subjective criteria added
to the objective of the list of the works of their life, that will condemn
Now the reason that I don't see believers here is because believers have
already been judged, by this time. The judgment of works, that we know as
the "Bema Judgment" (2 Corinthians 5, Romans 14:10-11). That judgment has
already occurred before the Millennial period began--1,000 years prior to
this. But this is the resurrection of the ungodly of all time. Now you say,
"Does that mean that it is a literal resurrection?" Yes, John 5, Jesus said
that there will be a resurrection, not only for those who will be raised to
life, but those who will be raised to death as well. All people who have
ever lived will be resurrected. They will receive a new body. Ours will be
fit for heaven and God's eternal kingdom; theirs will be fit for hell.
People have said, "Is hell literal fire?" That's a very difficult question
to answer. Jesus used that expression many, many times. I don't know how
literal the fire is. I tend to think there will be some kind of very literal
torment because there will be a real resurrection, and whatever kind of body
they have it will be a body that can exist forever, and it can exist in a
tormented state forever and never perish. I believe that this is the
judgment of those unrighteous dead who will all be gathered at one moment in
time, in the Great White Throne, and the record will be laid out and they
will not have the works to make it, and they will not be in the Book of Life.
If you are not in the Book of Life the only way you could get in is to have a
perfect works record. Right? And nobody can do that, "For by the deeds of
the law shall no flesh be justified."
So, I believe that this is the unrighteous dead, who are then cast into the
Lake of Fire. Believers have already had their judgment.
Now let's go back to Romans 1, and we will get back to the believers judgment
in a moment.
In Romans 1 and 2 we talked about homosexuality, the sin that is mentioned in
verse 26 and 27 of Romans 1. And this question is:
"I agree that homosexuality is a sin, but is it the most heinous sin, as you
have said? How can a physical sin be worse than the sin of Romans 1:21 of
not honoring God? Isn't not honoring God a worse sin than homosexuality?"
Well, let me just say this, not honoring God is the worse sin of all.
Homosexuality is simply a result of that. In other words, you can't line
them up because they are not equivalent--they are sequential. Do you
understand what I am saying? First, you make the determination in your life
that you are not going to honor God, and then you move into sinful living and
the epitome of the expression of a life that doesn't honor God is
homosexuality. I believe that is what Paul is saying here. He goes through
all of these things: the ultimate thing that a man can do is to totally
invert the created intention of God. I mean to totally invert it, as
homosexuality does is the worst physical sin, and it is an expression of a
life that does not honor God because it doesn't just pervert--it inverts the
created order. I think that's why Paul uses it as the illustration of the
utter sinfulness of man, when he says this is how far he has gone--he has
gone to homosexuality, that is the limit of Paul's conception of sinfulness.
Now, also in Romans 1 and 2, I have a very interesting question. This
gentleman says that, "I am a Japanese national and my country is atheistic
and materialistic. Most of our population has very little understanding of
Jesus. After World War II Japan was in great need, there were many children
without parents. Fortunately some very caring people arose to start homes
for these children. One woman I knew of was very selfless, giving, and
loving--she spent her whole life caring for these children. Many people
didn't respect her for doing this, but because of the love in her heart she
continued helping. I don't believe she was a Christian. Here's my
"There are many Christians who don't ever spend their life as she did. If
one looked at their deeds, this woman would look like the Christian! They
simply had the opportunity to hear the message of Christ and she didn't. How
will God judge her? And how will God judge these 'Christians'? This deeply
Well, I don't blame him, that concerns me--doesn't it you? It is true that
some of the philanthropy and the selflessness, and the generosity, and the
sacrifice, of the unregenerate outstrips Christians. There is no question
about that. Some of the most caring people in the world aren't Christians.
Some people who have totally given themselves to assist the hurting and the
needful people of this world are not Christians. On the other hand, some
Christians do not manifest that kind of care at all.
But listen, the basis of salvation is not how you treat children, it is
whether you believe in Jesus Christ or not, and that is the substance of the
gospel. You will be saved not on the basis of your philanthropy or on the
basis of your good deeds, and you will not commend yourself to God with those
either, because whatsoever is not of faith towards God is sin no matter what
it is. But the basis of salvation is faith in Jesus Christ, that's why Acts
4:12 is the key verse, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is
none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." The
plan of salvation says, "It is not your good deeds, it is not your good works
that save you." Now, keep that in your mind, because I think some of you
misunderstood what I have been saying.
Your works do not save you and that is basic, "For by the deeds of the law
there shall no flesh be justified." "Not of works, lest any man should. . . ."
what? "boast!" Then, if salvation is by works we have reason to boast and
God cannot get the glory, its us--we did it! But salvation is by faith in
Jesus Christ. That is why the most wretched individual, the most gross life
can come to Jesus Christ, put his faith in Jesus Christ, spend forever in
eternity. Whereas, the most philanthropic, charitable person in the world,
who turned their back on Jesus Christ will spend forever in Hell.
It is wrong to assume in the case of this woman, that she did not have the
opportunity to hear the message of Christ, because if there is anything that
we have learned in Romans 1 and 2, it is that she did. Right? She did! She
held the truth in unrighteousness. It was there as evidenced by her conduct.
Her very conduct towards these little children spoke of a law within her,
didn't it? It was there. She was doing by nature the things that God would
have wanted her to do. Her conscience, her thoughts, all reveal the inward
law of God written in her heart. She just did not accept that as from God
and live up to the light that she had.
Now let me take you a step further. There are Christians who do not manifest
the same level of human goodness, at least outwardly and visibly, that some
of these philanthropic, caring people have manifest. But listen carefully,
while it is true that there are people in the world who do deeds of human
goodness, it is not true that you can be a Christian and never do those
deeds! If you are a Christian there will be some manifestation in your good
deeds. Now listen to me, there will be some manifestation in your good
deeds. On the outside they may not look as magnanimous as the charities of
an individual like this, but they do truly manifest the work of God in your
life. That has to be the case, for "faith without works is. . . ." what?
"dead." Maybe, if God were to be the judge, even though the world might not
think your works were as significant, the most significant work of all is to
glorify God and to praise Him, and that is something that woman could not do
at all. I hope you understand.
Yes, there are human beings who show good (relatively speaking human good)
and that's commendable, but it can't save them. Yes, there are Christians
(all of us) who don't do everything that we ought to do, but there is going
to be something there to give evidence that we are truly regenerate--that is
without question the case. Now, let me see if I can keep going along this
line and follow it up.
Here's a question that came in a letter.
Recently, you appear to teach that acceptable works will determine our
eternal fate, that is, heaven or hell. Do you really mean that?
Now that has been the crux of what I have been hitting at. Let me see if I
can get it across another way.
I do believe (now listen carefully) that works "reveal" our eternal fate. I
do not believe they "determine" it. What determines it, is our faith in
Jesus Christ, but what proves that, that in fact has been determined is the
evidence in our life. Now, I said it last time and I will say it again, the
cause of salvation is faith in Jesus Christ plus nothing (no works). But the
consequence of that is works. Let's see if I can illustrate this.
I was riding with a man who was an executive in a seminary, and he said to
me, (we were talking about something and I saw a Liquor Store) and,
He said to me, "Oh yes."
I said, "That's an interesting thing, it's called the 'Finest
Liquor Store'. What a strange name for a Liquor Store--The
He said, "Oh, that's a chain, they are all over the place."
I said, "Really?"
He said, "Yeah, I know the man that owns them. He's in my
Sunday School class!"
I said, "He is?"
He said, "Yeah, he comes regularly. He's been coming for
I said, "Is he a Christian?"
He said, "Oh yes, he's received the Lord."
I said, "Well, is the rest of his life in order, or is this
something off. . . ?"
"Well, not really" he said, "He's been shacking up with a young
girl and he has left his wife and so forth."
I said, "How long has that been going on?"
"Well its been going on nearly a year now, and we have been
trying to work with him and so forth."
And then he said this to me, "You know, I just can't understand
how a Christian can live like that?"
And I looked over at him and I said, "Have you ever thought that
maybe the guy is not a Christian?"
And he said, "Well I remember when he prayed the prayer."
I said, "What prayer?"
"Well, the prayer that invited Christ into his life."
Is that what saves you? I mean, you say, "All right Lord. . . ." I know
that there is one theologian in America who says, "If you say that to God on
a dare, He has to save you, no matter what your life is after that!" Is that
true? That's not what James said, "Faith without works is. . . ." what?
"dead!" That's not what Hebrews 3 says, when it says that you will enter
into rest "if you hold your confidence fast to the end." That's not what
James said, when he said, "You better be a doer and not just a hearer or you
will wind up deceiving yourself."
You see, the point is this, works do not determine your salvation--they just
manifest that you really were saved. Do you see the point? So that when God
judges men He will judge them on the basis of their deeds, because their
deeds will manifest whether, in fact, they are regenerate or not. That's the
issue. I do not believe in works salvation, neither do I believe in a
salvation that has no works that follow it. I mean, we have a lot of people
in that boat.
People sometimes say, "I know so and so and I know that they don't go to
church and they are living an awful life, but I remember the day when they
went down the isle." Well, do you know what it meant when they went down the
isle? It meant that they went down the isle! Do you know what that meant?
It meant that they went to the front, and it didn't mean anything more then
that they went to the front. Because if there is nothing there, James says,
"Then don't tell me that's faith, because faith that has no works isn't faith
at all!" I mean, if you believe that the Bible says, "If any man be in
Christ, he is a. . . ." what? "a new creation," then you have got to
believe that has to be manifest.
Now some people are tough to figure out, because it is possible for a
Christian to fall into a lapse of disobedience. And it is even possible for
a Christian to fall into a lapse of disobedience and never come out of it
because the Lord takes him home. Right? Some of the Corinthians died in the
middle of their disobedience. Ananias and Sapphria were snuffed that fast,
right in front of the whole Church, and you know what the word was, "Don't
join that organization--one false move and your dead!" I mean, "You better
be serious about that bunch." And that was just after they had given the
biggest offering of their life. The problem was they told God they were
going to give it all and they didn't. Don't make promises to God that you
don't want to keep. I mean, we don't want to haul people out.
So please understand that I do not believe that you are saved by your works.
But I believe God can look at your works as the objective proof that you have
been saved. And He will look at your works and see the pattern of
righteousness, not just relative human goodness, but true righteousness born
of a love for God. And He will also see that your name is written in the
Book. Subjectively and objectively, you belong to His kingdom. That's the
Ok, the next question:
"I know that the works or service of Christians will be tested, but will
there be any judgment on Christians for their sins?"
Now listen (here it comes) I will simplify this as much as I can. There are
two elements of judgment in the life of a believer--one is past and one is
present and future. Your sin will be judged. "The wages of sin is. . . ."
What? "Death." That not only means the sins of the ungodly; it means your's
too. Your sins require death. Now, let me ask you a question, "Who then
died for those sins?" Christ! So in your case, the judgment on your sin has
been paid. Right? "In full!"
People say, "Well, I thought that was only the sins that I committed up until
I was saved. No, no, no, no! You were future tense when He died.
Everything was in the future, all of them were covered (Ephesians 1:7). Your
sins were forgiven, so the judgment for your sins is covered. That's why
Romans 8:1 says, "There is therefore now no. . . ." what? "condemnation to
them who are in Christ." Why? "Because the wages of sin is death," and
that's it. For example, if you committed a crime . . . let's say you
committed a heinous crime; you massacred a family or something; killed a
bunch of children and their parents. And they took you to court and they
found you guilty, first degree murder on eight counts, or whatever. And they
took you to the executioner's chair, and they said, "We are going to
electrocute you (capital punishment). And then they hit the switch and you
went [you died].
Then they came in the place and you just lifted your head up and stretched a
little and said, "I'm back." They would have to let you go, because the law
only requires that you die once. If you are a Christian, dear friend, you
died, because the moment you put your faith in Jesus Christ Galatians 2:20
was fulfilled, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless. . . ." what? "I
live." Too bad. Too bad for sin, too bad for the law, too bad for the
enemy. You're alive and the Law has no hold on those who have, in Christ,
paid the penalty. So you have been judged (that's past tense), but there is
a sense in which you will also be continually being chastened, and that's not
final judgment, that's corrective discipline. I mean it would be one thing
to kill your child, but it would be something else to spank them. The Lord
disciplines us to conform us to the image of Christ. And so those are the
When I was a little kid I heard a sermon on this that someday all my sins
were going to be flashed on a screen before all the world to see. Boy,
that's scary. That is scary. It was 1 Corinthians 4 misinterpreted, "God's
going to rap my knuckles with His big ruler." That isn't in the Bible. My
sins are already paid for by Jesus Christ, and it is the Law's tough luck, it
has no hold on me, that's Romans 6 and we will get into that in real detail
in about two or three years! No, no, I am going to speed up. So that's been
taken care of. The Lord will shape us and chasten us and so forth.
So, now what happens when we go to the Bema Seat? Let's look at
2 Corinthians 5 for a moment. Now here we are talking about believers, verse
10, well verse 9 is key, "We work or we labor, we serve the Lord, whether
present or absent, we may be accepted of Him." And by this we don't mean
saved, we are already saved. We already walk by faith, not by sight. We are
already confident that we are going to be present with the Lord. We already
know that we are saved, that's the whole process before we even get to verse
9. We know that we possess the Holy Spirit (verse 5), we know that we are
talking about believers.
So we come down here, and here we are working so that even as Christians we
may be accepted. In other words, that which we produce in our Christian life
may be something that gives Him pleasure. We want to honor God. Right?
"Well done good and faithful servant." Why? "For we must all appear before
the Bema." It was a platform for rewards. I have stood on the one that they
say is the ancient Bema in the city of Corinth. They have a little sign
there. That's where they gave people reward. It was not a legal place, it
was not a trial place. It was a place of rewards. And there we will all
appear, at the place of reward. That is not the "Great White Throne." The
"Great White Throne" is a long time after that, but I believe that this
occurs immediately following the Rapture; "Absent from the body, present with
the Lord" and appear before His judgment--His Bema. Not "krino" (Greek)
judgment or "katakrino" (Greek) which is the final or furious judgment, but
here a platform of rewards.
"And we will receive for the things we have done." See what I mean. Here we
are back to this concept of works. We will be rewarded for what we have done
as Christians. Now this isn't how we get saved, we already saved or we
wouldn't even be here. Right? We have already been raptured. We are in the
Lord's presence, and He will reward us (watch this) "according to what we
have done, whether it be good or bad." That's the "Authorized." That's a
poor translation. It should be translated, "Whether it be valuable or
We will not be judged (now listen carefully), we will not be judged for evil,
that's been done. We will be rewarded for that which was good, the evil is
taken care of, only the good remains and the useless. You know, like mowing
the lawn and throwing a Frisbee and all that stuff--just the stuff. Watching
a ball game, whatever--stuff. It's not bad, but it certainly doesn't advance
the Kingdom--it's just stuff. And we will be rewarded for the good that's
remaining after the stuff has been burned up, and the burning of the stuff
occurs in 1 Corinthians 3. Go back to
1 Corinthians 3.
Now we have laid the foundation of Christ in verse 11, we have committed our
life to Christ. And in verse 12, "If any man builds on the foundation," so
this is talking about whom then? Christians. You have to have the
foundation of Christ. Right? So then as you begin to live your life, you
are building on that foundation, and some of us are building gold, and
silver, and precious stones. Some of us are building wood, and hay, and
stubble. Note there is all degrees. Gold, I mean that's the best, and
silver, and precious stones. Then it starts to decrease: wood, wood is ok.
I mean you could build a house with it or keep warm. Hay is good if you are
a horse. Stubble is worthless.
So God is going to evaluate what we have done. There is no evil here, it is
just from stubble to gold. "Every man's work will be manifest: the day will
declare it," then the fire will be lit, and the fire is going to burn up
(believe me) the stubble, the hay, and the wood, and leave the rest. "And
then he shall (verse 14) receive a. . . ." what? "a reward." And if his
stuff is burned up, he will suffer loss, but himself he will be what? saved!
See that is not even the issue here. This is simply for reward.
If you go over to chapter 4, it follows the same theme. He says, verse 5,
1 Corinthians 4, "Don't judge anything before the time, when the Lord comes,
He will bring to light the hidden things of darkness. He will make manifest
the counsels of the hearts." You know, when it comes to that judgment time,
God's going to get down inside and find out who really did it. But look at
this next line, "and then shall every man have. . . ?" what? "praise from
God." There will be nothing at the Bema but praise, praise, praise. It is
just that some will have more than others, but none would be judged in a
condemning way. Do you understand that? Because the judgment was paid for
by Christ already. The chastening that we go through in this life is only
for this life, Hebrews 12 makes that abundantly clear. Chastening is only
for this little while. We won't need chastening up there because "When we
see Him we will be. . . ?" what? "like Him!"
I believe that when a Christian is raptured he will go to the judgment seat,
and at that point he will receive rewards. The stuff in his life will be
burned up. The evil won't even be there, it's been taken care of. The
neutral stuff will be burned up. The good works will remain after the fire
is lit, and for those we will receive a reward. Now people always say,
"Well, what is the reward?" Well, the Bible talks about a crown of life, a
crown of righteousness, a martyr's crown, and so forth, all these crowns. Is
that what it is? I remember speaking on crowns in a college deal one time,
and a guy came to me afterwards and said, "I never heard such crassness in my
life. What are you--the Imperial Margarine Man? You just want another
crown?" "Crowns, crowns, crowns," he said. "Well, I serve God out of
love!" I said, "I serve God out of love too; He just told me that He is
going to give me a crown for it--that's His business."
You don't need to worry about that, if God wants to give us [a reward].
People say, "Well, why would God give rewards--that's favoritism?" That's
God's choice. You know, C. S. Lewis wrote a good little thing called, "The
Weight of Glory" which he talks about them. He says, "There are some things
that demand a reward. They just demand it by their very nature."
For example, lets say that you love a girl--which happens. And someday you
go to this girl and you say, "Girl, (whatever), I love you!" And you say,
"I, I, I want to make you my own, I want to possess you, I want to care for
you, I want to marry you." You don't expect her to look at you and say,
"Crass! Possessive! Self-indulgent! It is not enough to love me--you have
got to have me!" Now wait a minute, I mean there is such a thing as a
natural reward for love. Isn't it? And it's marriage.
Or, if a guy runs a great race in the Olympics, and he wins, the announcer
doesn't go up to him a say, "You again! You never let anyone else win. Why
can't you be like this guy, he loses all the time. He's got a heart for
others." Now, wait a minute, if a guy throws a race he's a bum! I mean when
a general comes home from winning a great battle the president doesn't say to
him, "You are just never content unless you win, are you?"
So there is a sense in which there is a sequence. There are some things that
by their nature demand a response, and God has said that serving Him is one
of those things. So the day will come when we will be rewarded. The only
thing that you will ever see at the Bema Seat is a reward, "For every man
will have praise from God." Isn't that a great promise? The whole issue
beloved of your sins is in the past--if you know Christ. If you don't, the
whole issue of your sins is still piling up (Romans 2) awaiting the day of
wrath, and you will be at the Great White Throne Judgment.
Well, I hope that we have clarified some of these questions. Our time is
gone and we didn't get very far, but I did cover the next five anyway,
without even knowing it.
Let me just close with a couple that I think might be very helpful for us.
This kinds of sums up what we have been saying.
"I want to ask why lots of people accept the Lord only when something drastic
happens in their lives?"
You know that is a good time to accept the Lord, isn't it? Do you know why
people do that? Because they have run out of resources. I guess apart from
little children, who come to Christ in simple beautiful faith. . . . You
know somebody asked the question, "If you have to have a broken spirit and a
contrite heart to be saved then how about little kids?" I guess that maybe
in a sense we don't understand that they probably do have a broken and a
contrite heart. I hate to use my own kids as illustrations but they have
been living in my house for so many years that I know them better than
anybody else's kids.
One of ours, when he was little. . . . I was walking down the hall, He used
to like to go to sleep in our bed, they have all done that--I have been
hauling kids out of that room for years. So I went by the door and I heard
this little conversation going on and I knew that he was supposed to be
asleep, so I just kind of wondered what was going on. I stuck my ear in the
door (he didn't see me) and he was praying, he was about 4 or 5, and I heard
this, "Dear Jesus, I am sorry, please come into my heart." And he said it
over a couple of times. Well, I got tears in my eyes.
I look back on that and that was a great step towards God that had to be
confirmed. Right? As he grew older to show that it really was genuine,
because the works have to follow. But the thing that I thought about so
often as I looked back at that was that. . . . And later I asked him about
that and he had been a naughty boy and there was a sense of sinfulness and
wanting to get that right with the Lord, even in that little heart. I think
that we may not see great weeping and tears and contrition that we sometimes
see (and not always, even with adults, but sometimes). But I think that
there will always be a sense of sinfulness, even in the heart of a child if
they truly understand the gospel, don't you think? Because they have to
understand they need to be saved.
It is easy to point out to a child that they are sinful. They don't argue
that. Did you ever notice that? They don't argue. They admit it. You just
ask them, "Are you always good?" "No" "Are you sometimes bad?" "Yep."
They will just tell you that and that is kind of fertile soil. But, I think
that there has to be a recognition of sinfulness, there has to be a
contrition in the heart, there has to be an affirmation of the Lordship of
Christ where you are willing to take His yoke and learn. And I think
sometimes that does not happen until someone is desperate and that is
why that question is easy to answer, "Why do people come only in desperate
situations?" Because sometimes it takes that. I have even prayed that for
people, "God, make them desperate." I have even told people that, "You're
not a Christian because you don't have enough desperation yet. I am going to
ask God to bring you more desperation so that you'll want to come to Jesus
Christ." But don't underestimate the contrition in a little heart.
I'll never forget that over in the Family Center, in the prayer room one
night, this little kid came in (just a little guy), and he wanted to become a
Christian. I was in there and he started out his prayer, he must have been
six, "Dear Jesus, I know that I am a rotten sinner (that's what he said) and
I want You to come into my heart and make me clean." I think that is where
an adult has to get too, "Unless you become as a little child," admitting you
are wrong, knowing that you have no resources and are totally dependent on
God, you're not going to come to Him.
"What happens to a person when he or she believes on Jesus but doesn't repent
and doesn't ever turn from sin?"
Do you know what happens? Nothing happens--nothing, "the devils. . . ."
what? "believe and tremble." We have to believe and then repentance: turning
from sin towards God, confessing the Lordship of Christ, being obedient to
Well, I hope this helps. I think that we covered the questions that you had
in your heart on Romans and I got a lot of terrific other questions that I
think we'll keep for our next question and answer on a Wednesday night.
Maybe we even do this on a Sunday night this way again.
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